Magnus, If you say stacks solve the ethical problem described by the two scientists, could you tell us what the solution is?
Thanks. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Magnus Berg <[email protected]> wrote: > Platt > > As I hope you remember, I've resolved your seemingly right-wing arguments > within the MoQ before, and this time it's even easier. > > This time, I have stacks. I had them in the past as well but now we both > know what the term means, more or less anyway. > > A human is made in one stack, bones, flesh, cells, nerve signals and brain. > All four levels wrapped in a small package. > > Our society however, doesn't have intellect on its own. The society stack > consists of houses, humans, language and government. It uses the intellect > of its human inhabitants. > > That's why the MoQ *seems* to have the problem you see, but if we dig > deeper and use the stacks, we see it doesn't. > > Mystery solved, next question. > > Magnus > > > > > > On 2010-09-14 01:44, [email protected] wrote: > >> Horse, >> Thanks for the further explanation. If you don't want me to use the term >> "death >> panel" in referring to a government body that decides who lives and who >> dies, >> I'll comply. I think it's an accurate description, but if you find it >> contrary >> to fact and unduly "provocative," so be it. There's no doubt in my mind >> that >> the content of this site is your province to run as you see fit. >> >> I was hoping there could be a discussion based on what two distinguished >> scientists agreed was "the most difficult ethical question facing science >> today." I thought the question was particularly relevant to this group >> because >> Pirsig said that SOM science has "no provision for morals." But, here are >> two >> scientists who apparently believe it's a question science has some >> authority in >> answering, contradicting the thrust of the MOQ. >> >> So far only Ian has offered to debate "how much 'rights' (to health care) >> an >> MOQ argument would support." That's OK by me, but why not go further and >> explored the MOQ in terms of who decides who lives and who dies under a >> government funded health system? That seems to me to be the crux of the >> issue >> posed by the two scientists, and an issue an "Inquiry in Morals" should >> address. >> >> Platt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 13 Sep 2010 at 23:02, Horse wrote: >> >> Platt >>> >>> For your information I am the main person objecting to use of the term >>> death panels for the reasons I gave earlier. Do you have a problem with >>> that? >>> I'm sure others also object to it but that's not altogether relevant. >>> Your use of this term now and in the past has been purely provocative >>> and, as I said earlier, is for propaganda and emotive purposes. >>> Stupidly, I actually expect better from members of this forum than >>> childish attempts to provoke and aggravate other members with comments >>> like this. I'm not singling you out deliberately Platt because there are >>> other members of this forum who continually do exactly the same. >>> This forum is intended for intelligent people who wish to discuss, >>> rationally and reasonably, what many consider to be an important and >>> worthwhile philosophical position but is increasingly becoming like a >>> junior school playground. Cheap shots and snide remarks are more >>> prevalent recently than intelligent comment and debate. >>> I don't like it and will make it known in future if members are not >>> prepared to act and contribute in a reasonable manner. >>> For Christ's sake I'm not expecting you to all kiss each others arse's, >>> just behave like human beings that possess brains!! >>> >>> Remember this: >>> "And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, >>> 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!" >>> >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13/09/2010 22:33, Platt Holden wrote: >>> >>>> When one judges the validity of argument, particularly regarding a >>>> matter of >>>> interpretation, do you not consider the source? I do. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Ian<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Platt, >>>>> Who cares "who" was making the objection, so long as the argument >>>>> remains >>>>> valid ? >>>>> >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 21:50, Platt Holden<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the reference. I shall do as you suggest to see who was >>>>> raising >>>>> >>>>>> objections to the term, "death panel.". >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Horse<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Platt >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm saying that your use of the term is both propaganda and emotive >>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> - Frank Zappa >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
