On 21 Sep 2010 at 9:08, John Carl wrote:
The only way I can see humans as "a separate category" Platt, is to
aknowledge that only humans have intellect. They are also the most
supremely social of all the animals.
Platt
Yes, only humans have intellect, and only humans can respond to the creative
force of DQ to affect the evolution of life. Can a tribe, a state or a church
respond to DQ? I don't see how.
John:
But if you're trying to make the point that humans stand outside the four
categories, I sure can't go there. And I'm an MoQ heretic?
Platt
Pirsig says human beings are a composite of all four static levels PLUS the
ability to respond to DQ. It's that ability along with intellectual capacity
that makes them a separate category. "But the Metaphysics of Quality also says
that Dynamic Quality-the value-force that chooses an elegant mathematical
solution to a laborious one, or a brilliant experiment over a confusing,
inconclusive one-is another matter altogether." (Lila, 29) I don't think
atoms, possums, or cultures can recognize a "value-force" that would help them
choose elegance or brilliance. But individual humans can, and some exceptional
ones, like Pirsig, contribute to the evolution of life with new knowledge. .
No, you're not an MOQ heretic. No one except Pirsig knows the MOQ for sure, and
even he sometimes wavers between one interpretation or another. Fortunately the
MOQ has yet to attain a set-in-stone static meaning. It's still a work in
progress as Pirsig intended, open to Dynamic influence.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:59 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Sep 2010 at 13:15, MarshaV wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2010, at 12:40 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
>
> > [Marsha to Platt]
> > Certainly dynamic individuals like Mr. Pirsig are a separate category. I
> > agree, I agree, I agree.
> >
> > [Arlo]
> > Human individuals are a composition of the four levels of value patterns.
> They
> > are not a "separate category", whatever that means.
>
> Marsha:
> I was speaking using conventional language. I didn't mean to confuse you.
>
> Platt
> Human individuals are composites of the four levels of static value
> patterns
> plus ability to respond to DQ. The static intellectual level doesn't have
> that
> ability. That's why individuals are a separate category. They are the
> shakers
> and movers of the evolution of life.
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