On Sep 24, 2010, at 10:28 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Platt: > "I like" is a synonym for "I value." It moves the world. I especially value > Bacon's idea of starting out with an undefined overall image (DQ) and work > toward defining it (SQ) during the painting process.How many times have I > started a painting with great hopes only to make a mess of it. But, sometimes > things happen as I originally intended, making all the failures (low value) > worthwhile (high value).. > > On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:08 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> All: >> >> SOM axiom: "There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so." >> >> MOQ axiom: Everything is good or bad before thinking at all. >> >> We can see what the MOQ is up against -- Pirsig vs. Shakespeare, a far out >> idea >> vs.conventional wisdom. >> >> Do the levels get in the way of Pirsig's Copernican revolution? > > Marsha: > The levels seem genius to me, a very modern bridge. > > Platt: > Genius, true. But perhaps overplayed in trying to appease the SOMists.
Marsha: It may seem that way sometimes, but MoQ'ers are ultra-concentrated within the topic. It's hard for us to see with fresh eyes. For someone new, it may be a key to understanding. For me it was patterns, for someone else it may be evolution. > >> Does he cater too much to SOM thinking? > > Marsha: > No. For me it is all about breaking down subject/object reality to move > beyond > it. It is "absolutely" the most important thing. Patterns are fascinating, > like vortexes of experience. > > Platt: > "Patterns" bother me. They presume subjects looking at ordered objects. Even > "experience" suggests the S/O division. Instead I would like to see "valuing" > substituted for "experience," "consciousness," "awareness" and "perception." > -- > valuing Dynamically (creatively) or statically (predictably). Then the world > of > things become static values and the act of painting becomes Dynamic.value > creation, motivated by betterness. Marsha: 'Subjects looking' is a patterned way of thinking. No such thing; only static patterns of value moving through a field of DQ. The value is held together by repetition through time and across individuals. At least that 's how I understand. Lila is an accumulation of ever-changing patterns intersecting with DQ. For me painting can be static or dynamic, depending. I liked that Bacon said, "The paintings should be a re-creation of an event rather than a reproduction of an object." That seems a dynamic approach. Betterness? Again I wonder about Bacon's disturbing images 're-creating suffering'. I wonder about doing that. Is there betternerss in painting suffering? Maybe it's best not to think about it - just paint. > >> How can we here promote the "artistic consciousness" that precedes thought >> that >> gives us the delight of life? > > Marsha: > Good question. I remember SA having started a thread of haiku poems. Even > to > try was a movement towards understanding. Who didn't try? > > Platt: > Yes, that's the ticket. Dynamic creation of value within a static value > framework. > >> Besides great sex I mean. > > Marsha: > Hmmmm. > > Platt; > Is that an expression of afterglow? > Marsha: Is there an e-motive to represent 'I demure'.' ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
