On 24 Sep 2010 at 11:23, MarshaV wrote: > Platt: > "Patterns" bother me. They presume subjects looking at ordered objects. Even > "experience" suggests the S/O division. Instead I would like to see "valuing" > substituted for "experience," "consciousness," "awareness" and "perception." > -- > valuing Dynamically (creatively) or statically (predictably). Then the world > of > things become static values and the act of painting becomes Dynamic.value > creation, motivated by betterness.
Marsha: 'Subjects looking' is a patterned way of thinking. No such thing; only static patterns of value moving through a field of DQ. The value is held together by repetition through time and across individuals. At least that 's how I understand. Lila is an accumulation of ever-changing patterns intersecting with DQ. Platt: I don't think "patterns" add anything. In fact, they obscure the value universe. Why not just say, "No such thing, only static values moving through a field of DQ." And, "Lila is an accumulation of ever-changing static values intersecting with DQ." Does inserting "patterns" add anything? Marsha: For me painting can be static or dynamic, depending. I liked that Bacon said, "The paintings should be a re-creation of an event rather than a reproduction of an object." That seems a dynamic approach. Platt: I like the dynamic approach which means having a vague idea in mind at the beginning of a painting and then watching to see if the process of painting (the event)" produces anything of value. Most often in my case, not. Marsha: Betterness? Again I wonder about Bacon's disturbing images 're-creating suffering'. I wonder about doing that. Is there betternerss in painting suffering? Maybe it's best not to think about it - just paint. Platt: Maybe the painter has to suffer to produce anything of value. As Pirsig said, "Suffering is the negative face of the Quality that drives the whole process." Certainly suffering the consequences of bad decisions is a great moral teacher. Anyway, I like the idea of painting as an event--just respond to what appears on the canvas as it evolves, like the process of living.. Platt: >> How can we here promote the "artistic consciousness" that precedes thought that >> gives us the delight of life? > > Marsha: > Good question. I remember SA having started a thread of haiku poems. Even > to > try was a movement towards understanding. Who didn't try? > > Platt: > Yes, that's the ticket. Dynamic creation of value within a static value > framework. > >> Besides great sex I mean. > > Marsha: > Hmmmm. > > Platt; > Is that an expression of afterglow? Marsha: Is there an e-motive to represent 'I demure'.' Platt: The proper response for a public forum. . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
