Hi Marsha, Hard to understand from this distance, I don't even know if you are real...
By saying that Quality and Emptiness are synonymous, what else is there to say? There is plenty of literature, ritual, and lifestyle based on Emptiness. So, I don't think you can get away with an RMP statement that easily. If we are talking Buddhism, then you have finished your quest. Me, I will continue building some strange structure. IMHO Mark On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:50 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark, > > I expected that it would be understood to be a response to our posted > exchange. You, if I remember correctly brought up the subject of > "many paths." (Btw, in Ant's PhD, he(Anthony) mentions that RMP > claims that Quality and Emptiness are synonyms.) I really didn't see > that there was a more appropriate response to be made. And yes, > it was meant "all in good fun." > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:30 AM, 118 wrote: > > > Hi Marsha, > > What did you expect? We have some pretty rigorous definitionists > patrolling > > the posts. For what it's worth, I liked it. All in good fun. > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:22 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Mark, > >> > >> I thought it just a sweet haiku indicating that each individual has > >> their own path. Sorry it became something else. > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:25 AM, 118 wrote: > >> > >>> Yea, I agree DMB, relativity is a pretty useless concept. Now > >>> relationalism, that is a whole 'nother story. And I'm not talking > about > >> the > >>> opposite of absolutism, I'm talkin' Quality. > >>> > >>> I don't have any relatives that are dwarfs, so I can't comment on > >> Marsha's > >>> giant. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:11 PM, david buchanan <[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Marsha said: > >>>> RELATIVITY: > >>>> the tallest dwarf > >>>> meeting the smallest giant > >>>> - same size > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> dmb says: > >>>> > >>>> No, that's not what relativity means. Relativity means there is no > >> standard > >>>> by which to measure things like truth and moral values. > >>>> > >>>> What you have above is merely three sets of relations. > >>>> > >>>> The dwarf is tallest in relation to other dwarves. > >>>> The giant is the smallest when compared to other giants. > >>>> In relation to each other, the dwarf and the giant are the same size. > >>>> > >>>> As a practical matter, these relations do not depend on one's > >> perspective > >>>> or worldview. It just depends on whether or not you can get all the > >> dwarfs > >>>> and giants to stand next to a measuring tape. That's how you know > you've > >> got > >>>> the tallest dwarf in the first place. That's how you know all other > >> giants > >>>> are bigger. These are quantifiable facts and all three sets of > relations > >> are > >>>> true at the same time without contradiction. The term "relative" can > be > >> used > >>>> to mean "in relation to" or "by comparison with" but that doesn't have > >>>> anything to do with the objectionable philosophical stance known as > >>>> relativism. If we say the dwarf is relatively tall, we don't mean his > >> height > >>>> cannot be determined or that his height depends on one's understanding > >> of > >>>> the term "tall". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Words and concepts are relational in a similar way. As I like to point > >> out, > >>>> the meaning of the terms "static" and "dynamic" is relational in the > >> sense > >>>> that "static" means the opposite of dynamic and "Dynamic" means the > >> opposite > >>>> of static. The meaning of each term is depends on not being the other, > >> the > >>>> same way hot and cold or short and tall define each other by > opposition. > >>>> Words also derive their meaning by virtue of their relation to context > >> in > >>>> which the term is being used. "Tall" can mean "highly exaggerated" > when > >>>> we're talking about tales, it can refer to the shape of a cocktail > glass > >>>> when talking to a bartender, it can mean "difficult" when we're > talking > >>>> about tall orders and tall obstacles. It can refer to a proud posture > or > >>>> walking style as well as actual height. Many words are very flexible > and > >>>> have many different meanings depending on the context but again this > is > >> to > >>>> say that meaning is relational, not relative to the user. Words mean > >> what > >>>> they mean in relation to oth > >>>> er words and in relation to the context in which it's being used. In > >> other > >>>> words, we can't isolate the meaning of a term because it derives it's > >>>> meaning from the whole language system. This is the net of jewels idea > >>>> applied to words. Similarly, some philosophers talk about our "web" of > >>>> beliefs. This image get across the idea that some concepts are more > >> central > >>>> than others, which is probably true. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Compared to the top of Mount Everest and the tallest short guy, the > >> Empire > >>>> State Building is shorter and taller at the same time. These are not > >>>> relative truths or opposed claims or two different views. It's merely > >> two > >>>> different comparisons, two different facts. The building is never > going > >> to > >>>> be taller than the mountain and it'll never be shorter than any > person, > >> not > >>>> even the tallest giant. I don't mean to be some kind of yard-stick > >>>> fundamentalist. I'm just saying that relations are just as real as > >> anything > >>>> else and it's a part of what it means for something to be true and > >> right. > >>>> This could be called relationalism or relationism or wholism or > >>>> contextualism or situationalism. But relativity or relativism is > >> something > >>>> else entirely. 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