Mark to Andre:

I present such a challenge.What is left when such things are out the door, as 
you say?

Andre:
The challenge has been presented by Phaedrus. And it translates as such: how 
did it come IN the door in the first place? This is where Phaedrus' discussion 
about the so called dividing line between insanity and sanity should be an area 
of discussion... and following on from this Phaedrus' question of how it is 
possible that people come to be regarded as 'sane'.

These things are all thrown up as challenges by the MOQ as opposed to the 
self-indulgent 'answers' provided by conventional subject-object views of 
reality. Starting off with the challenges to these platypusses.

The statement made by Rene descartes for example has not been received as a 
statement of fact but as a challenge to be placed in its proper perspective.

The challenge left with us is to view reality as value, all of it every last 
bit of it. And this view makes minced meat out of objects and subjects.


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