I present such a challenge.What is left when such things are out the door, > as you say? > > Andre: > The challenge has been presented by Phaedrus. And it translates as such: > how did it come IN the door in the first place? This is where Phaedrus' > discussion about the so called dividing line between insanity and sanity > should be an area of discussion... and following on from this Phaedrus' > question of how it is possible that people come to be regarded as 'sane'. > > These things are all thrown up as challenges by the MOQ as opposed to the > self-indulgent 'answers' provided by conventional subject-object views of > reality. Starting off with the challenges to these platypusses. > > The statement made by Rene descartes for example has not been received as a > statement of fact but as a challenge to be placed in its proper perspective. > > The challenge left with us is to view reality as value, all of it every > last bit of it. And this view makes minced meat out of objects and subjects. >
[Mark in response] Yes, Andre, I am aware of those things. According to my interpretation, sanity is a convention which allows us to coexist as a species. All of human knowledge is a creation of the mind, it exists nowhere else. As such many creations are possible. However, for the purposes of interaction, there must be agreement as to the acceptance of things. This is really not an important problem. Do you have questions about it? I have not problem with how it came in, Quality can explain that. As you say, the challenge is to view it as Quality. To make mince meat is a subject object metaphor, so it does not do the philosophy justice. Answers are meant to provide meaning within the bubble of knowledge. If they are not self indulgent, then you are subscribing to them as being True. Is this what you are saying? Obviously there are no metaphysical statements or premises that are received as fact, they are just premises, when you say such things it appears that you may believe them to be fact. What ensues, however, is agreement on such premises. So, let me ask you, are you your thoughts? If you are not, then where do you reside? What you post above does not provide any depth at all and is the same old mantra which seems awfully superficial as an explanation. Do you have any deeper thoughts on the subject? Thanks, Mark > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
