Hi Andre,

I agree with your post below.  As such, it is a series of words.
 Understanding of such words requires questioning or challenging as you say.
 I present such a challenge.  What is left when such things are out the
door, as you say?

Mark

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]>wrote:

> Mark to dmb:
>
> I have tried previously to provide a way out of SOM.  The method is to try
> to identify the subjective itself, the true subjective.
>
> Andre:
> The way out of SOM is to challenge and annihilate the assumptions upon
> which it is based. The MOQ has done this. It places Quality, experience, as
> the fundamental ingredient upon the building of an idea of reality and
> within this process all ideas of subject, object, subjectivism and
> objectivism are out the door.
> It shares this with Buddhism by claiming that these concepts are indeed
> 'empty' ( in MOQ terms 'figures of speech'), intellectual constructions
> necessary to maintain SOM.
>
> All is re-designated as patterns of value within the MOQ and this is a
> major step forward.
>
> Pirsig wrote eighty years after James, but reading James really gives you
> the foundations upon which Mr. Pirsig built his metaphysics. It really
> drives home the basics with which James was grappling and which resulted in
> his pragmatic and radical empiricist attitudes. ( as well as F.S.C Northrop
> of course).
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