[Mark]
Arlo, you avoided Marsha's original suggestion.

[Arlo]
No I didn't. You asked a question about Humanism, a few other people chimed in, DMB entered to make the points relating humanism to Pirsig's ideas. I don't know what the problem is there at all?

And I see no evidence that DMB is "blaming" people who disagree with him (whatever that means). What I see is a condemnation of twisting Pirsig's ideas, and holding to a foundation from which our disagreements can germinate. I disagree with Pirsig on a few points, and I have no problem separating out where my disagreement is from what he wrote. And I imagine if I wrote a post to the forum saying Pirsig actually meant what I want him to have meant, that DMB would correct me as well.

[Mark]
If dmb is the gatekeeper, fine, but he should describe what is inside the gate for us newcomers.

[Arlo]
Gatekeeper? Why do I think you are trying to twist this into a condemnation of disagreement. Disagreement is healthy. Disagreement spawns the evolution of ideas. Even minor disagreements that lead to better contextualization are necessary and should be encouraged. No one is saying otherwise. But the issue is not one of disagreement, its trying to manipulate a text to force agreement where no agreement exists, and it is against that form of dishonesty that we should all take a stand.

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