Hi Arlo, Discussion below, Mark On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote:
> [Mark] > OK, my mistake. I welcome any "mistakes" as divined by dmb. > > [Arlo] > Sigh. You really are looking for a fight where none exists. Divined? Does > it bother you that much that DMB is able to correct people when the > attribute something to Pirsig when he said something to the contrary? > > The only "mistake" here is the impetus for force agreement at the expense > of honesty rather than lead a solid disagreement. As I just said to Marsha, > if she feels her ideas about the Intellectual level are better than > Pirsig's, then she should articulate why. There is nothing wrong with this. > What continues to be wrong is attribute those ideas to Pirsig, when he has > clearly said such a view "undermines the MOQ". So if Marsha wants to press > forth, her task should be to explain why they not only do NOT undermine the > MOQ, but are better than what Pirsig has offered. > > I think, for example, my idea about including certain non-human species > into the social level is better than Pirsig's view that the social level be > reserved for humans. I disagree with him, but I don't bend over backwards > tyring to "prove" Pirsig "really meant" what I believe. And I said he meant > to the social level to be as I see it, I imagine DMB would point out this > mistake. > > Is this really so difficult? > [Mark] It is not my intention to fight and certainly I expressed that in my post. As I said I welcome dmb's input. I have not had the opportunity to discuss things with Pirsig. As such, I get interpretations of what is meant through these posts from others. I have clearly stated that a quote from a book does not stand on its own, do to the interpretive nature of our brains (which is a good thing and displays some free will). Therefore, I am not attacking Pirsig, I am questioning the interpretation. If some claim to have a direct connection with what Pirsig is thinking when he writes what he does, that is fine, I do not have such a connection, and I believe that if I thought I did, I would somehow have divine powers. While you do not bend over backwards to prove what Pirsig meant, you do have a personal interpretation of what it is. Such a personal interpretation can be explained to others with a few sentences. I am not asking for proof, just interpretive support. Does this make sense, or do you feel I am still attacking? Discussion is often based on contrary interpretations (opinions). This is why I state that if dmb has THE interpretation, he should post it for the rest of us. Is this asking too much? Cheers, Mark > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
