Mark, I think you make a couple of important points:
> [Mark] > Intellect is a tough one, I would say that the discussion of intellectual > ideas requires SOM. I believe this is Marsha's point. Symbol manipulation > requires symbols. > > John: First, intellect IS a tough one. Unlike some people, who seem to expect RMP's words to be some sort of holy writ that can't be challenged, I think the fact that this one is a toughie, ought to encourage us to look at it more deeply and examine it more thoroughly. Help him out, so to speak. Second, I agree with Arlo that SOM != Intellect. For one thing, it says right on the label, "metaphysics" and obviously intellectuals create metaphysical systems, but not all metaphysical systems are intellectual. But I do also agree with "Bo's many" that Intellect is dependent upon SOM. Unless you want to carve off the term "intellect" and turn it into some private-language meaning that only a limited few comprehend, you have to take the dictionary definition of intellect and that is heartless reason, and admit that it comes directly from a worldview of analytical cogito-ers, ergo-ily summing it all up in their heads. My particular point, furthermore, is that intellect cannot be the highest aspiration of evolutionary development. The dictionary definition of intellect, is non-artistic, for one thing. It refers to a specific branch of human cognition that operates rationally by rules and analysis. Not at all adequate for a label for the 4th level, imo. peace, man, John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
