Hi Arlo, Who me? Unbiased ridicule? Well perhaps I am repaying in kind. You think? The post to Marsha was just to bring up the in-congruency of all of this. I thought you would appreciate it instead of feeling attacked.
For me, divine means that which comes before reason. I'll leave it at that. I do sometimes use it to place all discussion within context. That is we cannot claim something to be true just because we say it is. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote: > > [Arlo] > We are discussing whose ideas have more quality, and to do that we need an > understanding of what has been said, and what is being said in response. > > As I said, my thoughts about non-humans on the social level is NOT an > interpretation of Pirsig, it is a refutation of Pirsig. > > Certainly you can tell the difference. > > But yes, we are arguing whose ideas have more value, in Marsha's case its > her ideas about Intellect=SOM versus Pirsig's ideas that Intellect!=SOM > (that's programming code for "does not equal" for the laypeople). > [Mark] Intellect is a tough one, I would say that the discussion of intellectual ideas requires SOM. I believe this is Marsha's point. Symbol manipulation requires symbols. > > Or in my case its about my ideas that Social=Non-humans versus Pirsig's > ideas that Social=Humans. > [Mark] On what you state above that I did not respond to, I will now. I fully agree with you there. I may extend the non Human concepts farther than you would, that is beyond sentient beings. This would simply because sentience as we express it is made up of the non-sentient, as in molecules. Where the sentience comes in is difficult to say, and cannot be simply relegated to the nervous system. In this way, the social aspects as discriminated against biological or inorganic is difficult to do when one requires such walls. Is a cell a social composite of organic molecules? If not, why? There is certainly communication within a cell and an over riding sense of community to keep the cell alive. So I am happy to discuss this topic with you. Again, I do not think it refutes the notion of Quality in any way. I believe that through discussion with Pirsig, we would come to agreement that it is also not anti-Pirsig premise. Just my opinion, Mark > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
