On Dec 15, 2010, at 6:14 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Mark, (Marsha) > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:14:57 -0800, "118" <[email protected]> said: >> Hi Marsha, >> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> I so agree. You know it, but not by words, and it's why I told Tim I >>> have been reconsidering 'spiritual' and 'faith' in terms of heart. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >> >> [Mark] >> Hearts and minds is a good way to put the distinction between DQ and SQ. >> >>> > > [Tim] > hmmm, I have an 'analogy', and I think this is a time when even I, who > does not so much like the over-use of that word, should use it too. > > real quick, first, 'hearts and minds' is a term, like 'faithe', for > which I am overcoming an aversion. So, while I agree that it is a fine > term, now, I also think using it 'publicly' could lead to a lot of > confusion. whatevs. But, I, like John - and I saw that he addressed > this just today, or probably now yesterday - see 'hearts' as being part > of the intellectual level. > > Intelligence is a balance of the heart, (anything else?), and the mind > (coin flip to determine the order ... the cold and the hot; though I > don't know that that makes it a lukewarm!). Perhaps I might suggest > that the romantic/classic is within the intellectual level (like SOM). > DQ is still there, not quite comprehensible. Mystical. Spiritual. I > have been using faithe as the verb for: me surviving that, in tact. > > My analogy: you bring your I, everything that you might be able to > describe, or sense, up to the door of DQ; I will denote this half > pictorially here: '>'. All this gets merged into a 'simple' choice. > With this choice I will it to be so: '+'. This willful choice is, > somehow, empowered to be real amongst the other I's; and, in order for > all these 'I' not to ruin it in the meantime; and in order that they can > be preserved through the intertwining that is necessary; it is by > 'faitheing' that I make it through DQ: '--'. I guess this might be the > threshold of the door way, for the sake of the analogy. On the edge of > the new room, another willful decision is required, take stock of the > repercussions of the willful choice to go through that doorway. What do > you choose to observe?: '+'. With this, then, you can update your > intelligence: '<'. Of course 'update' happens in the uttter present of > DQ too. And all this happens so dang fast. Etc. And etc > > Anyway, this is what the analogy looks like in a picture: > > >> +--+< > > > Tim
Greetings Tim, I would think that heart in connection with DQ would be beyond all static patterned boundaries. Yet as DQ is always present whether it is, to a greater or lesser degree, acknowledged. The definition and connotations of the word 'heart' have me at the moment stumped, but regardless, it instinctually seems a good direction. There is that awesome experience of having your "heart" expand... heart=biological spirit=subjective ??? Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
