John to Andre:
Maybe I should have said, 'in the entire universe' or 'all of creation'
so you'd more fully get the gist of my point'
Andre:
Well, this does make a heck of a difference John. To equate 'in all of
experience' with 'in the entire universe' or 'all of creation' it seems
to me you are also, like Marsha equating DQ with sq. Are they, for you
interchangeable a well? Just to be clear about what the MOQ is saying is
that the experience comes first. Ideas/conceptualizations of 'universe'
and 'creation' are abstracted afterwards as stable intellectual patterns
of value.
John:
The dynamic nature of all reality is not a fallacy, Andre. It's just the way
things are. What I call fallacy is the rigid constructions of small-minded
control freaks who want to freeze conceptualizations and keep them in their hip
pocket and beat others over the head with their homophiliac urges.
Andre:
'Homophiliac urges'?, 'small-minded control freaks'?, 'freeze
conceptualizations'? woaw, those are a mouthful John.. hope you liked spouting
and swallowing it as well.
You know that Pirsig equates Quality with Reality, with experience. Yes, this
is dynamic, undifferentiated, mystical.
He makes the first metaphysical slice thus; DQ/sq. Pirsig recognizes that the
world, i.e our conventional reality, manifests elements of both the static and
the Dynamic:
'Static quality patterns are dead when they are exclusive, when they demand
blind obedience and suppress Dynamic change. But static patterns, nevertheless,
provide a necessary stabilizing force to protect Dynamic progress from
degeneration. Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this
world in which we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order,
preserve our world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the
other'. (LILA, p124)
The 'dynamic nature of all reality' is a fallacy John. If it is only dynamic it
degenerates. You must have stability i.e. sq to preserve advances/insights
gained. Needles to say I mean everyday, lived reality: DQ/sq.
Hope the truck you're gonna drive is composed of stable patterns.
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