Hi , Dan. Backsnip. Adrie: think of the pattern of life, as in choice to live or to die by act of free will or choice. Free will in this example only will count for the individual, not for the collective conciousness pattern as a total.
Dan: I am not sure there is such an entity as a collective consciousness. Remember, in the MOQ, social patterns are not a collection of individuals. ---------------------------------------------- Yes,thats why i wrote, "in this example". The collective conciousness--hm, still unsure myself, because of the discovery of mirror neurons and their subconciousness influencing capabilities. almost nothing was known of it, when the MOQ was written. Point to keep in mind really. But thanks,ceeya. 2011/3/26 Dan Glover <[email protected]> > Hello everyone > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> > wrote: > > very correct Dan,But wat it probably really is, is a rechewing/rehashing > of > > the annotations again. > > Hi Adrie > > Yes, you're right. > > >Adrie: > > The part on freedom will and choice. > > > > What the work is telling us,is that free will is not in conflict with the > > metaphysiks of Quality > > as long as it is not in coflict with the patterns of the bigger frame of > > nature itself > > > > free will does not work on the patterns of evolution,science or nature. > > Dan: > I tend to agree with you here. > > > >Adrie: > > Think simply of electricity. > > We can have the freedom and the will to use it freely, or to reject it > > totally. > > However we cannot de-invent it by an act of free will or choice,but John > > keeps ridiculing it > > by moving it into a reduction ad absurdum. or by hashing it away in some > > homebrew-drivel. > > Dan: > It is curious that Nicola Tesla invented the electric motor over a > hundred years ago and yet it has never been improved upon, don't you > think? > > >Adrie: > > think of the pattern of life, as in choice to live or to die by act of > free > > will or choice. > > Free will in this example only will count for the individual, not for the > > collective conciousness > > pattern as a total. > > Dan: > I am not sure there is such an entity as a collective consciousness. > Remember, in the MOQ, social patterns are not a collection of > individuals. > > >Adrie: > > Not thinking about the ocean by act of free will or choice, will not make > it > > to dissapear. > > You have the free choice to swim or to dive in the ocean, even to swallow > a > > part of it,.. > > but denying the ocean by an act of choice or free will is insane.Nothing > > else. > > Dan: > > Agree. > > > >Adrie: > > Additionaly,Dan, i agree that determinism as a tool is part of the > moq,but > > used as a > > laserscalpel in the hands of a geniouss and surely not to be handled as a > > blunt axe > > in the hands of an idiot. > > If John's basic set-up is to be derived from a limp inductive/deductive > > reasoning, we will not have concluding determinisme, or correct > determinism > > a such. > > > > Nobody will get anywhere, by simply creating own variables and > observables. > > Correction,you will only get away with them , if they make sense. > > Dan: > Yes. Only if they make sense. That is right. > > >Adrie: > > > > Sorry for my flaming up Dan, ..will make it up to you. > > Dan: > Don't worry about it, my friend. I know where you are coming from. > > Adrie: > > Thx for reading. > > Dan: > Always a pleasure! > > Dan > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
