Hello everyone On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> wrote: > very correct Dan,But wat it probably really is, is a rechewing/rehashing of > the annotations again.
Hi Adrie Yes, you're right. >Adrie: > The part on freedom will and choice. > > What the work is telling us,is that free will is not in conflict with the > metaphysiks of Quality > as long as it is not in coflict with the patterns of the bigger frame of > nature itself > > free will does not work on the patterns of evolution,science or nature. Dan: I tend to agree with you here. >Adrie: > Think simply of electricity. > We can have the freedom and the will to use it freely, or to reject it > totally. > However we cannot de-invent it by an act of free will or choice,but John > keeps ridiculing it > by moving it into a reduction ad absurdum. or by hashing it away in some > homebrew-drivel. Dan: It is curious that Nicola Tesla invented the electric motor over a hundred years ago and yet it has never been improved upon, don't you think? >Adrie: > think of the pattern of life, as in choice to live or to die by act of free > will or choice. > Free will in this example only will count for the individual, not for the > collective conciousness > pattern as a total. Dan: I am not sure there is such an entity as a collective consciousness. Remember, in the MOQ, social patterns are not a collection of individuals. >Adrie: > Not thinking about the ocean by act of free will or choice, will not make it > to dissapear. > You have the free choice to swim or to dive in the ocean, even to swallow a > part of it,.. > but denying the ocean by an act of choice or free will is insane.Nothing > else. Dan: Agree. >Adrie: > Additionaly,Dan, i agree that determinism as a tool is part of the moq,but > used as a > laserscalpel in the hands of a geniouss and surely not to be handled as a > blunt axe > in the hands of an idiot. > If John's basic set-up is to be derived from a limp inductive/deductive > reasoning, we will not have concluding determinisme, or correct determinism > a such. > > Nobody will get anywhere, by simply creating own variables and observables. > Correction,you will only get away with them , if they make sense. Dan: Yes. Only if they make sense. That is right. >Adrie: > > Sorry for my flaming up Dan, ..will make it up to you. Dan: Don't worry about it, my friend. I know where you are coming from. Adrie: > Thx for reading. Dan: Always a pleasure! Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
