Hey Dan --
On Fri, March 25, 2011 at 12:55 AM, "Dan Glover" <[email protected]>
said:
The MOQ states that the universe is an ethical activity. When it
follows static patterns of value it is without choice. When it follows
Dynamic Quality it is free. The universe is both purposeful and
purposeless. The doctrines of free will and determinism, mind and
matter, are not disparaged but rather brought together under the
umbrella of Quality.
How do you know what is "ethical" or "moral" if the only free choice is
undefined (i.e., unknown)?
Ham:
Dan, rather than refuting Ron's suggestion that Free Will is natural
selection, you have affirmed it.
Dan:
How so?
[Dan, previously]:
Natural selection pertains to the biological level. There is no choice
involved. The fittest survive to pass on those survival traits while
the less fit hit an evolutionary dead end. At the biological level,
the environment seems to determine the fittest. For example, global
warming is threatening many species not able to adapt. No choice
is involved.
[Ham, previously]:
If man is not an independent entity, he can not exercise the power
of Free Will. Instead he is inextricably bound to the laws of nature,
just as are earth's evolution and the planetary orbits.
Dan:
Aren't we? I think the MOQ states we are bound up within the
culture we inhabit.
You say that there is no choice in the biological level, and we are bound to
the culture we inhabit, which means there is no choice at the social level
either. (In fact, you said to Ron, "Even social patterns seem bound by
determinism and not free will.") That leaves the intellectual level, about
which you said:
"Intellectual patterns may exhibit evolutionary free will, though to be
honest I am hard pressed to think of any examples." When Ron suggested
human rights, trial by jury, and self-government, you dismissed them as
static quality patterns, stating that "the MOQ says we are without choice
when we follow static quality patterns."
So, where is Free Will anything other than "natural selection" in your
philosophy?
Essentially curious,
Ham
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