On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:12 PM, david buchanan wrote:

> 
> Horse said to Marsha:
> I think Pirsig is using the term 'fiction' here in the same way that one 
> would use the term 'illusion'. An illusion is real enough in that we don't 
> have to see it as something that doesn't exist - it just doesn't exist in the 
> way we think it does. The 'I' is illusory, not fictitious. Big difference.
> 
> dmb says:
> Right, Marsha is reading the rejection of the Cartesian conception of self as 
> a rejection of ANY conception of the self.

Marsha:
I did not even use the word rejection.  Both self and static patterns of value 
are illusions, but they are useful.  





 
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