On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:18 PM, MarshaV wrote:

> 
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:12 PM, david buchanan wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Horse said to Marsha:
>> I think Pirsig is using the term 'fiction' here in the same way that one 
>> would use the term 'illusion'. An illusion is real enough in that we don't 
>> have to see it as something that doesn't exist - it just doesn't exist in 
>> the way we think it does. The 'I' is illusory, not fictitious. Big 
>> difference.
>> 
>> dmb says:
>> Right, Marsha is reading the rejection of the Cartesian conception of self 
>> as a rejection of ANY conception of the self.
> 
> Marsha:
> I did not even use the word rejection.  Both self and static patterns of 
> value are illusions, but they are useful.  


Marsha:
And in the quote it was RMP that used the word fiction, as does Anthony in the 
Textbook by using the term 'useful fictions.'  


 
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