[DMB] I'm not sure what Marsha's point is, but it's fairly common to say "pragmatism says this" or "empiricism say that". It's just a figure of speech.
[Arlo] I know this, and I know Pirsig's rhetorical use of this device. A thousand "I say" gets boring, I understand. Just to back up, my point in bringing this up was in a point to Dan about some people using the term "The MOQ" to refer to Pirsig's ideas, and others using the term to refer to the school of ideas, or dialogue, that develops in response to his words. I made the point that when we say "Pragmatism says", we are talking about the broad foundation that undergirds any particular person we see as a "pragmatist". It seeks commonality among voices that do not agree on all points. Its this second use, the "school" of ideas in which there are a plurality of distinct voices, differing, agreeing, etc. that is pointed to by some using "The MOQ". Whereas Dan, initially, seemed to advance the former, that the term "The MOQ" should only apply to the words of Pirsig. I'm just saying that a lot of the confusion between these two uses would disappear by dropping "The MOQ says". So you have Pirsig's ideas (utterances spoken as part of a dialogue) and you have the ongoing dialogue as others hear and respond to his voice, and other voices. Furthermore, I think its not coincidental that "The MOQ says" is preferred over "Pirsig says" to those seeking the validity of interpretative legitimacy. It moves beyond the rhetorical use of the phrase, and quickly advances that it is "The MOQ" speaking, and Pirsig is simply another "interpreter" of what it says. [DMB] I don't think any reasonable person would take that to mean that a set of ideas can speak or that there is just one figure that speaks for all actual persons within a school of thought. [Arlo] I'd agree. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
