On Apr 15, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Marsha] > It is my goal, but I am well aware of the problems. > > [Arlo] > There are always barriers to communication. Sadly, you don't move towards > clarity, you run in the other direction.
Marsha: I'm am trying to find better words. I'll keep trying. > [Marsha] > The MoQ, as an intellectual pattern of value, it is an analogy no matter how > it conceptualized. > > [Arlo] > Right. Saying it "speaks" or it "runs" or it "drinks coffee" are poetic > rhetoric. Marsha: Saying "IT does anything" misrepresents. > [Marsha] > An equal problem holds for people who confuse "precision" with "wisdom." > > [Arlo] > I can't think of any wise people with muddy thinking. In fact, I think the > Zen Masters are among the most precise and clear out there. While they > understand that "all this is just an analogy", they choose their analogies > artfully and their words are always exact and precise. Marsha: I am not so stupid as to debate what Zen Masters say. I know nothing of Zen. But I can say I am trying to move away from dualistic subject-object point-of-view towards an interconnectedness that conceptualization and language occludes. > [Arlo] > When I listen to the Dalai Lama speak, I think "now there is a clear mind", > not "wow, he is misusing words, unable to clarify his thoughts, and shows an > overall confusion and incoherence, he must be brilliant!" Marsha: He is very skillful in considering the listener. But he is a Boddhisatva, so his ultimate intention is to work towards the enlightenment of all sentient beings. I think that enlightenment is to achieve ultimate non-dualistic insight and wisdom. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
