[Marsha]
Saying "IT does anything" misrepresents.
[Arlo]
My point exactly. Saying "The MOQ speaks" (apart from a poetic
narrative) misrepresents. Thanks. Or is this a case of now saying
"The MOQ says" is okay, but "it says" is not? (Pirsig also uses the
rhetoric "it says" in his narrative, btw.)
[Marsha]
But I can say I am trying to move away from dualistic subject-object
point-of-view towards an interconnectedness that conceptualization
and language occludes.
[Arlo]
There is no doubt that pre-intellectual experience precedes
"language", but don't confuse the enlightened abandonment of language
with championing obfuscation. In other words, there is a time not to
speak, but this is not the same as speaking incoherently.
[Marsha]
He is very skillful in considering the listener. But he is a
Boddhisatva, so his ultimate intention is to work towards the
enlightenment of all sentient beings. I think that enlightenment is
to achieve ultimate non-dualistic insight and wisdom
[Arlo]
And he achieves this by brilliant clarity in his words, not being
confusing and incoherent. While I am sure he would agree that words
ultimately are analogies to describe a pre-intellectual experience,
when he chooses his words he does so with elegant precision and clarity.
Again, there is a difference between an artful mastery of language,
and a befuddled incoherence.
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