Hello everyone On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:28 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > On May 13, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Dan Glover wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> >> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:11 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> dmb says: >>> Well, I suppose it's futile to try to talk sense with a person with thinks >>> static patterns of quality are both ever-changing AND a kind of prison. >>> It's a cage made of clouds, apparently. It's like trying to discuss water >>> with someone who thinks ice is hot and steamy. Even Sarah Palin would blush >>> at this level of incoherence. >>> >>> In the MOQ, static patterns are not a prison. They are the world as we know >>> it, arranged in an evolutionary moral hierarchy. They are static patterns >>> of VALUE, of QUALITY. >>> Marsha had said:I not only agree with Mark that language is a kind of >>> prison, but I also think patterns are a kind of prison."To the extent that >>> one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality it is without >>> choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is >>> undefinable, one's behavior is free." [LILA} >> >> Dan: >> I don't think it's right to say patterns are a kind of prison, or >> language for that matter. Language and patterns are useful for >> rationally sharing our sense of experience. I think the above quote is >> being taken out of context. > > > Marsha: > I do agree that language and patterns are useful for all sorts of > reasons. I think I've said this many times. I'm a conventional > woman and find them very useful.. If 'prison' is too strong a word > for you, perhaps 'cage' would be a better choice? I meant 'prison' > in the sense of 'constraint.' But maybe you can find a word you like > better.
Dan: I prefer the definition of constraint as a limitation; it seems better than the terms cage and prison. Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
