Hi Dan, On May 13, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
> Hello everyone > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:28 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On May 13, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Dan Glover wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone >>> >>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:11 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> dmb says: >>>> Well, I suppose it's futile to try to talk sense with a person with thinks >>>> static patterns of quality are both ever-changing AND a kind of prison. >>>> It's a cage made of clouds, apparently. It's like trying to discuss water >>>> with someone who thinks ice is hot and steamy. Even Sarah Palin would >>>> blush at this level of incoherence. >>>> >>>> In the MOQ, static patterns are not a prison. They are the world as we >>>> know it, arranged in an evolutionary moral hierarchy. They are static >>>> patterns of VALUE, of QUALITY. >>>> Marsha had said:I not only agree with Mark that language is a kind of >>>> prison, but I also think patterns are a kind of prison."To the extent that >>>> one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality it is without >>>> choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is >>>> undefinable, one's behavior is free." [LILA} >>> >>> Dan: >>> I don't think it's right to say patterns are a kind of prison, or >>> language for that matter. Language and patterns are useful for >>> rationally sharing our sense of experience. I think the above quote is >>> being taken out of context. >> >> >> Marsha: >> I do agree that language and patterns are useful for all sorts of >> reasons. I think I've said this many times. I'm a conventional >> woman and find them very useful.. If 'prison' is too strong a word >> for you, perhaps 'cage' would be a better choice? I meant 'prison' >> in the sense of 'constraint.' But maybe you can find a word you like >> better. > > Dan: > > I prefer the definition of constraint as a limitation; it seems better > than the terms cage and prison. > > Thank you, > > Dan Marsha: Thanks for the feedback. To you, words and patterns might be just a constraint, to others, words and patterns may represent a prison. The determination to which word might be more appropriate may lie within the context. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
