Hello everyone On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:57 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Marsha: >>> The MoQ has been reified when it is held within a strict framework. >> >> Dan: >> The Metaphysics of Quality is a metaphysics. As such, it has >> parameters that serve as a framework through which we can order >> experience. It isn't set in concrete; it is written in pencil rather >> than pen. In fact, to reify a concept seems to go against the grain of >> the MOQ. Not sure what you're getting at by using that word... > > Marsha: > To reify does go against the grain of the MoQ, but it represents an > insidious and common mental habit that leads to attachment and to > suffering. Part of the process of reification, as I understand it, is to > remove the object or concept from its broader context. It's often done > to simplify a concept, to make it more understandable, manageable and > memorable. The problem comes when the context is forgotten and > the definition becomes solidified and more "real" than the experience.
Dan: I still fail to see how this applies to the MOQ, unless a person begins making statements like: the MOQ is reality. It is not. The MOQ is a way of ordering reality. It isn't really "out there" in the sense some contributors both in the past and present seem to think. Marsha: > Should patterns be seen as promoting "agency" when millions of people > are suffering from patterns of bondage? Dan: I have no idea what you mean by promoting "agency." Marsha: And if you're at all interested > in Buddhism, you know that attachment and suffering can occur through > bondage to good patterns too. Dan: Well, yes. That is exactly what I said earlier. You replied simply "okay." So I take it you agreed. A person must obtain a certain level of virtue and detachment before they begin meddling in other people's affairs in the name of compassion. Marsha: So I am suggesting that we remember a > good word like 'constraint' may need to be erased to represent a broader > context. Patterns may represent a 'greater structure to bring a greater > agency,' but they can also represent a prison. Patterns may be like a > kind of freedom, or tolerable restraint, or a harmful, intolerable ignorance. Dan: Static patterns of quality determine our lives and constrain, or limit, our actions. We follow them because we have to. But that doesn't equate to patterns being a prison. Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
