Hello everyone On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:08 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > On May 13, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Dan Glover wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> >> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:28 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On May 13, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Dan Glover wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:11 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> dmb says: >>>>> Well, I suppose it's futile to try to talk sense with a person with >>>>> thinks static patterns of quality are both ever-changing AND a kind of >>>>> prison. It's a cage made of clouds, apparently. It's like trying to >>>>> discuss water with someone who thinks ice is hot and steamy. Even Sarah >>>>> Palin would blush at this level of incoherence. >>>>> >>>>> In the MOQ, static patterns are not a prison. They are the world as we >>>>> know it, arranged in an evolutionary moral hierarchy. They are static >>>>> patterns of VALUE, of QUALITY. >>>>> Marsha had said:I not only agree with Mark that language is a kind of >>>>> prison, but I also think patterns are a kind of prison."To the extent >>>>> that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality it is >>>>> without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, which >>>>> is undefinable, one's behavior is free." [LILA} >>>> >>>> Dan: >>>> I don't think it's right to say patterns are a kind of prison, or >>>> language for that matter. Language and patterns are useful for >>>> rationally sharing our sense of experience. I think the above quote is >>>> being taken out of context. >>> >>> >>> Marsha: >>> I do agree that language and patterns are useful for all sorts of >>> reasons. I think I've said this many times. I'm a conventional >>> woman and find them very useful.. If 'prison' is too strong a word >>> for you, perhaps 'cage' would be a better choice? I meant 'prison' >>> in the sense of 'constraint.' But maybe you can find a word you like >>> better. >> >> Dan: >> >> I prefer the definition of constraint as a limitation; it seems better >> than the terms cage and prison. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Dan > > > Marsha: > Thanks for the feedback. To you, words and patterns might be just a > constraint, to others, words and patterns may represent a prison. The > determination to which word might be more appropriate may lie within > the context.
Dan: You're welcome, and thank you too. I assumed the context of which we were speaking was the framework of the MOQ. If that is not the case, then yes, perhaps you are right. Thanks again, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
