Hello everyone On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > On May 13, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Dan Glover wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> >> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:08 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Dan, >>> >>> On May 13, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Dan Glover wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:28 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On May 13, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Dan Glover wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:11 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dmb says: >>>>>>> Well, I suppose it's futile to try to talk sense with a person with >>>>>>> thinks static patterns of quality are both ever-changing AND a kind of >>>>>>> prison. It's a cage made of clouds, apparently. It's like trying to >>>>>>> discuss water with someone who thinks ice is hot and steamy. Even Sarah >>>>>>> Palin would blush at this level of incoherence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the MOQ, static patterns are not a prison. They are the world as we >>>>>>> know it, arranged in an evolutionary moral hierarchy. They are static >>>>>>> patterns of VALUE, of QUALITY. >>>>>>> Marsha had said:I not only agree with Mark that language is a kind of >>>>>>> prison, but I also think patterns are a kind of prison."To the extent >>>>>>> that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality it is >>>>>>> without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, >>>>>>> which is undefinable, one's behavior is free." [LILA} >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan: >>>>>> I don't think it's right to say patterns are a kind of prison, or >>>>>> language for that matter. Language and patterns are useful for >>>>>> rationally sharing our sense of experience. I think the above quote is >>>>>> being taken out of context. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha: >>>>> I do agree that language and patterns are useful for all sorts of >>>>> reasons. I think I've said this many times. I'm a conventional >>>>> woman and find them very useful.. If 'prison' is too strong a word >>>>> for you, perhaps 'cage' would be a better choice? I meant 'prison' >>>>> in the sense of 'constraint.' But maybe you can find a word you like >>>>> better. >>>> >>>> Dan: >>>> >>>> I prefer the definition of constraint as a limitation; it seems better >>>> than the terms cage and prison. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Dan >>> >>> >>> Marsha: >>> Thanks for the feedback. To you, words and patterns might be just a >>> constraint, to others, words and patterns may represent a prison. The >>> determination to which word might be more appropriate may lie within >>> the context. >> >> Dan: >> You're welcome, and thank you too. I assumed the context of which we >> were speaking was the framework of the MOQ. If that is not the case, >> then yes, perhaps you are right. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Dan > > Hi Dan, > > I AM a conventional woman, but even without a television I know that > all over the world there are people enslaved by horrendous patterns.
Dan: Yes, if everything is an ethical activity as the MOQ suggests, then compassion for others naturally arises as we gain insight. I would caution though that unless a person has obtained a high degree of virtue and detachment that the compassion they feel may be misplaced or misunderstood. Marsha: > With some insight we here on the MD can begin to destroy the patterns > of entrapment, and appreciate and strengthen to good ones, but many > people have no clue. Dan: I am unsure that a discussion group is the proper setting for such activities. If a person is ready, doors will open. >Marsha: > The MoQ has been reified when it is held within a strict framework. Dan: The Metaphysics of Quality is a metaphysics. As such, it has parameters that serve as a framework through which we can order experience. It isn't set in concrete; it is written in pencil rather than pen. In fact, to reify a concept seems to go against the grain of the MOQ. Not sure what you're getting at by using that word... Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
