Hi Marsha, Is gravitation a process? Mark
On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:58 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jun 5, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Mary wrote: > >> [dmb] >> You can't say that reification is "interdependent with the conceptualization >> process" or simply "conceptualization reifies" AND also say that concepts >> are necessary to act in the world. >> >> [Mary] >> Why not? >> >> The human brain is nothing more than the product of the evolution of >> Pirsig's static patterns of value. Static patterns of value interact with >> one another in static ways. It would be a leap to expect the static brain >> to function in a non-static way, would it not? Conceptualization is no >> doubt a high quality STATIC pattern of value. It is a useful and necessary >> tool for interacting with other static patterns. It does not follow that it >> would be necessary for it to develop transcendence. If it were even a >> "tendency" of the human mind to flexibly transcend the static, then DQ would >> not be undefined. Capisce? >> > > HI Mary, > > Here is my (conventional/static) definition of static patterns of value: > > Static patterns of value are processes: impermanent, > interdependent, ever-changing. (Not objects. Not subjects. > Not things-in-themselves.) Overlapping, interconnected, > ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend to persist > and change within a stable, predictable pattern. > > Here's my (conventional/static) definition of reification: > > Reification means treating any functioning phenomenon > as if it were a real, permanent 'thing', rather than an > impermanent process." > > Reification represents how the common man, and many scientists, > academics and even philosophers conceptualize. It evolved as a tool to > facilitate some kind of betterness. But it is flawed and of course the MoQ > and help rectify the flaw. I have suggested that reification is either a > part > of the conceptualization process, or that there is a interdependency > between conceptualization and reification. > > But, of course, you are correct Mary. Both 'conceptualization' and > 'reification' are static patterns of value, conventional (relative) truths. > > > Marsha > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
