Doesn't 1) rest on the assumption that there is a "real" self to experience "free will"? Few would deny that there is a sense of self, but is that sense of self based on anything "real"?
On Jul 7, 2011, at 2:32 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I see 3 issues: > 1) Is there a real (as opposed to illusionary) experience that we call "free > will"? > 2) If so, is 'free will' a good term to describe this experience? > 3) Also if so, is the traditional explanation or an explanation in MoQ terms > better? > > 1) [Pirsig] >> Free Will is the philosophic doctrine that man makes choices independent of >> the atoms of his >> body. > > I think what Pirsig means is that the Doctrine of Free Will (as opposed to > Determinism) > "is the philosophic doctrine that man makes choices independent of the atoms > of his body". > So the Doctrine of Free Will or Determinism is true or false. > But the exercise/experience of free will need not be "independent of the > atoms of his body" > (how could it be?). > An atom in one's body/brain has no memory & no beliefs about of the > consequences of > human action. As such an atom cannot make the kind of choice that is > relevant to free will. > But that does not mean that such an atom is irrelevant to free will. It only > means that > something more than that atom is required. > > 2) [Steve] >> free will is a meaningless term in the MOQ. > > But how can the term be meaningless if it refers to a real experience? > > 3) is the issue we should work on. > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
