On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > Hi Marsha and all, > > When emotions are viewed as DQ, for me the biggest question is HOW. In some > way I have to train my perceptions to avoid definition and roll with > experience, Thank you! Pirsig!
I was painting again last night. There is no thread of explanation when painting. At any time one can drop the line of narration to enter directly into experience. The world does not fall apart if you let go of the words. Let it go. Pick it up. Let it go. Pick it up. Let it go. Pick it up. Amazing! At least that is how it seems, though I am not claiming to know anything. Maybe it's like learning to swim. It takes getting comfortable. And yes, Thank you Mr. PIrsig. Even though I am a girl, I was on that motorcycle with Chris and him. I was there from the moment the red-wing blackbirds flew into the sky, but my favorite part was the philosophy. > I am all on fire, sometimes, realizing I know nothing. I struggle to > experience the undefined. I can tell no one and I squirm under my burden, > realizing I have not been taught to look at that. I try teaching myself, > under the flag of: Whoever teaches themselves is taught by a fool! The thread of narration can seem like the instructions, but it's not. Lately, I've been thinking of the dream I had where I was suppose to jump into the abyss. After much fear and whining, I decided there would be something valuable to gain from jumping so I decided to make the leap. I became suspended in mid- air and had to will myself back onto the edge. It was NOT about personal gain. I wonder if I had the same dream again, what would happen? Dreams are strange, and sometimes helpful. Marsha > Joe > > > On 7/13/11 11:38 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> It's all analogy - biology, chemistry, emotions - all the way down,,, when >> named. >> Amazing. Tonight is E-minor, blue - diamonds and rust. I need to cry, but >> can't. >> >> So MU. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 13, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: >> >>> Hi Steve, Marsha and all, >>> >>> >>> Between "external duty, and internal duty" seems to encompass everything. >>> Perhaps, viewing emotions as DQ places them beyond internal duty? When >>> emotions are defined SQ, they cease to be emotions. Emotions cannot be >>> defined as DQ since DQ in itself is indefinable. Emotions are a different >>> name in biology for DQ. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 7/13/11 8:14 AM, "Steven Peterson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha, >>>> >>>> Marsha: >>>> I just don't get the insistence on MY free-will. As far as the >>>> ethical considerations, these statements make the most sense to me. >>>>> >>>>> "Dharma, like rta, means 'what holds together.' It is the basis of all >>>>> order. >>>>> It equals righteousness. It is the ethical code. It is the stable >>>>> condition >>>>> which gives man perfect satisfaction. >>>>> >>>>> "Dharma is duty. It is not external duty which is arbitrarily imposed by >>>>> others. It is not any artificial set of conventions which can be amended >>>>> or >>>>> repealed by legislation. Neither is it internal duty which is arbitrarily >>>>> decided by one's own conscience. Dharma is beyond all questions of what is >>>>> internal and what is external. Dharma is Quality itself, the principle of >>>>> 'rightness' which gives structure and purpose to the evolution of all life >>>>> and to the evolving understanding of the universe which life has created." >>>>> >>>>> (LILA, Chapter 30) >>>>> >>>>> So MU. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve: >>>> NIce job digging up this quote. I love how it specifically backs our >>>> point that dropping internal/external considerations like SOM free >>>> will/determism do not negate moral structure and purpose. It is >>>> irrelevant to duty--what dmb surely means by moral responsibility. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Steve >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
