On Jul 11, 2011, at 5:57 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > Marsha, (and Steve, for example) > > Steve said > "It makes no sense to say that we choose our values when we ARE > nothing but our values. Likewise, it makes no > sense to say that we are determined by our values when we ARE our values."
I'd say this is where we are suspended in language.... > This is the kind of SOMis intellectual argument that has turned me off > MD. (And I'm not picking on Steve, he just happens to be locked in > debate with DMB, just picking out a typical example in response to > your earlier question Marsha.) > > It is NOT nonsense to say values choose values, or values determine > values - it IS reality. It is only nonsense to SOMist dreams of > (discrete, well defined) objectivity, that shun (apparent) logical > loops. Some level shifting is required. I agree about the level shifting. That's the really "hard" work. ;-) > We cannot solve our problems with the same kind of argumentation that > created them. > With apologies to Einstein. A perfect reminder... > Ian > PS What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding? Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
