Marsha, (and Steve, for example) Steve said "It makes no sense to say that we choose our values when we ARE nothing but our values. Likewise, it makes no sense to say that we are determined by our values when we ARE our values."
This is the kind of SOMis intellectual argument that has turned me off MD. (And I'm not picking on Steve, he just happens to be locked in debate with DMB, just picking out a typical example in response to your earlier question Marsha.) It is NOT nonsense to say values choose values, or values determine values - it IS reality. It is only nonsense to SOMist dreams of (discrete, well defined) objectivity, that shun (apparent) logical loops. Some level shifting is required. We cannot solve our problems with the same kind of argumentation that created them. With apologies to Einstein. Ian PS What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
