On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:06 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:18:56 -0400 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will >> >> >> On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:45 AM, 118 wrote: >> >>> Yes, Marsha, >>> This is the conundrum that you put yourself into imho. >> >> Marsha: >> The only conundrum that I experience is that language is based >> on differentiated experience: subject, predicate & object. Of freewill, >> determinism and causation, I neither accept them nor reject them. >> They are static patterns of value, sometimes useful illusions and >> sometimes not. As static patterns of value, they are not Ultimately Real. >> >> >>> The relegation of free-will to one of a pattern is a common mistake. >> >> Marsha: >> Within the MoQ, there is only Dynamic Quality and static quality >> as static patterns of value. Free-will is an intellectual pattern. >> That which best represent what is free, on the other hand, is >> explained in Chapter 12 of LILA: >> > Pirsig said: > "To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of > quality it is without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic > Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is free." > > > dmb says: > It seems that a lot of the debate centers around the interpretation of these > two sentences. Steve, for example, keeps saying that it makes no sense to say > we are free to choose our values because we ARE those values. He also seems > to think that rejecting SOM means all issues of freedom and control are > rendered meaningless. Likewise, Marsha says Free-will is an intellectual > pattern, a useful illusion.
Marsha: I probably should have written 'free-will is an intellectual pattern, a sometimes useful pattern, but an illusion, and NOT Ultimate Reality.' If you want to argue from a som point-of-view (concerning a subject's free-will), please discuss freewill vs. determinism as long as it pleases you. From a MoQ, point-of-view, it isn't relevant, and I don't find it very interesting. Further I don't find your interpretation of RMP clear or accurate as stated. I neither accept free-will, nor deny free-will. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
