On Jul 17, 2011, at 6:15 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > Steve said: > ... dmb resorted to an ad hominem to avoid having to respond to the argument > that Marsha made. See below... > >> Marsha previously: >> Right. Dmb is conflating the SOM and MoQ; they're two different >> metaphysics. The MOQ rejects the Cartesian self as a ridiculous >> fiction and replaces that concept of the self with the MOQ's concept >> of the self as a complex ecology of static patterns. The Cartesian >> self is the problem and the MOQ's self is the solution to that >> problem. But Dmb has confused and conflated these two concepts so >> that he ends up rejecting the MOQ's solution. Then the MOQ's solution, >> not to mention the author of the MOQ, is misconstrued as the >> ridiculous fiction. He can't distinguish between the poison and the >> antidote, between the wreckage and the repair job. > > dmb says: > Actually, I usually delete Marsha's posts and I hadn't seen these remarks > until you posted it. I recognize it, however, because it's a slightly > re-worded version of something I said. She merely redirected my accusation > back at me. That's not an argument. It's just childish mockery.
Marsha: Oh, but the words fit so well... I made it quite clear that I find no need to participate in an argument over som issues. In the MoQ, there is no subject and there are no objects. If there is no subject - if there is no self - then there is no subject/self to have freedom of the will, and likewise, there is no subject/self who has a life that is determined. The issue is meaningless. So, I neither accept free-wlll and determinism, nor deny free-wlll and determinism. If you want to argue from a som point-of-view (concerning a subject's free-will), please discuss freewill vs. determinism as long as it pleases you. From a MoQ, point-of-view and from my point-of-view, it isn't relevant, and I don't find it very interesting. MU. And I don't remember you responding to Dan's last post to you? Was that weaseling, or attack and run? ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
