Yes, I liked Garfield too ... Ian PS What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding ?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:01 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ian, > > I agree, and J. Garfield states it very well: > > Everything is conventionally real. > Nothing is ultimately real. > Everything is both conventionally real and ultimately unreal. > Nothing is either conventionally unreal or ultimately real. > > > Marsha > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >> I'd say Marsha .... it's a (not) real as any pattern is (not) real. >> Ian >> >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Many people do harbor a deep-seated sense/belief/assumption/feeling that >>> given an identical situation, they could have chosen to act differently. >>> But the >>> assumption of having a free-will, of being a free agent, is but a pattern, >>> and is >>> not Ultimately Real. imho >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:39 AM, 118 wrote: >>> >>>> Let's get serious here. This is an MoQ forum, we should be talking >>>> about the Quality of Free will. I am tired of reading posts that are >>>> either copies, quotes, or plagiarisms of something that was said one >>>> year ago, or two hundred years ago. I can forgive the newcomers, or >>>> the wannabys since they do not know better. But some of these >>>> established Qists who do this deliberately to obfuscate the purpose of >>>> this forum and mislead the reader into thinking that something new is >>>> being developed in this world, is really unforgivable and immoral. If >>>> we are doing an Inquiry into morals, let's at least begin with >>>> ourselves. Is it moral to present something as if it is your own >>>> idea, simply for the purposes of aggrandizement? Is is moral to >>>> mislead and obfuscate for the deliberate purpose of denigrating the >>>> Metaphysics of Quality? If Pirsig were still alive, he would go >>>> quickly back to his grave in disgust. Is there not one of use that >>>> has the Values appropriate for promoting his metaphysics. You guys >>>> (and gals) just make me sick. Who amongst you is willing to rise >>>> above this petty and insignificant posturing? Who amongst you is >>>> ready to stand for something real and enduring. Please do not all >>>> raise your hands at once. And stop cowering under that classroom desk >>>> afraid that I may pick on you. Really!! >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
