Ian, I agree, and J. Garfield states it very well:
Everything is conventionally real. Nothing is ultimately real. Everything is both conventionally real and ultimately unreal. Nothing is either conventionally unreal or ultimately real. Marsha On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > I'd say Marsha .... it's a (not) real as any pattern is (not) real. > Ian > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> Many people do harbor a deep-seated sense/belief/assumption/feeling that >> given an identical situation, they could have chosen to act differently. >> But the >> assumption of having a free-will, of being a free agent, is but a pattern, >> and is >> not Ultimately Real. imho >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:39 AM, 118 wrote: >> >>> Let's get serious here. This is an MoQ forum, we should be talking >>> about the Quality of Free will. I am tired of reading posts that are >>> either copies, quotes, or plagiarisms of something that was said one >>> year ago, or two hundred years ago. I can forgive the newcomers, or >>> the wannabys since they do not know better. But some of these >>> established Qists who do this deliberately to obfuscate the purpose of >>> this forum and mislead the reader into thinking that something new is >>> being developed in this world, is really unforgivable and immoral. If >>> we are doing an Inquiry into morals, let's at least begin with >>> ourselves. Is it moral to present something as if it is your own >>> idea, simply for the purposes of aggrandizement? Is is moral to >>> mislead and obfuscate for the deliberate purpose of denigrating the >>> Metaphysics of Quality? If Pirsig were still alive, he would go >>> quickly back to his grave in disgust. Is there not one of use that >>> has the Values appropriate for promoting his metaphysics. You guys >>> (and gals) just make me sick. Who amongst you is willing to rise >>> above this petty and insignificant posturing? Who amongst you is >>> ready to stand for something real and enduring. Please do not all >>> raise your hands at once. And stop cowering under that classroom desk >>> afraid that I may pick on you. Really!! >>> >>> Mark >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
