Hi Dave, Here is the definition of static patterns of value I've put together.
Static patterns of value are processes: impermanent, interdependent, ever-changing. (Not independent objects, subjects or things-in-themselves.) Overlapping, interconnected, ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern. Thanks, Marsha On Jul 18, 2011, at 1:49 PM, David Thomas wrote: > On 7/18/11 12:04 PM, "David Buchanan" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> dmb says: >> A collection of ever-changing static patterns? >> >> Will somebody please explain to Marsha why this statement is logically >> incoherent? >> >> Will somebody please explain that "static" is the opposite of >> "ever-changing"? >> >> Will somebody please explain that there is better word for ever-changing, one >> that is opposed to "static" within the MOQ and that this word is "dynamic". >> >> Will somebody please explain exactly how and why her claim is nonsense? >> >> She won't hear it from me but she really, really, really needs to hear from >> somebody. > > Dave > The problem of course is the source material she is using. Pirsig chose > static and dynamic for his primary division of quality. I have long > maintained that he did this for rhetorical reasons not metaphysical ones. > Alternately he uses the term "stable" patterns as though it is the same as > "static" patterns. Metaphysically it is not. > > sta·ble 1 (stbl) > adj. sta·bler, sta·blest > 1. > a. Resistant to change of position or condition; not easily moved or > disturbed: a house built on stable ground; a stable platform. > b. Not subject to sudden or extreme change or fluctuation: a stable economy; > a stable currency. > c. Maintaining equilibrium; self-restoring: a stable aircraft. > 2. Enduring or permanent: a stable peace. > 3. > a. Consistently dependable; steadfast of purpose. > b. Not subject to mental illness or irrationality: a stable personality. > 4. Physics Having no known mode of decay; indefinitely long-lived. Used of > atomic particles. > 5. Chemistry Not easily decomposed or otherwise modified chemically. > > All these definitions of "stable" suggest that change is possible. "Static" > on the other hand implies it is not. With the possible exception of > religious and philosophical dogma I can't recall every experiencing a static > pattern. As I look out my window now the major elements I experience are > trees, lake, and sky. There are clouds in the sky. They are stable enough > that I can visually identify them and see that though they are constantly > changing shape and moving to the northwest they are still what almost all of > us would agree are "clouds". The same for the "lake", "trees" etc. etc. > > So if Marsha merely substituted "stable" for "static" to correct for > Pirsig's error in her definition.... > >> Within MoQ self as a a collection of ever-changing, interrelated, >> impermanent, >> [STABLE] patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in >> a >> field of Dynamic Quality,...... > > Are you still dogmatically opposed to it? > > My guess is yes. > > Dave > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
