On 7/18/11 2:14 PM, "David Buchanan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> dmb says: > Yes, I'm still opposed to it and for the same reason. This opposition is not > motivated by dogma, however. It's only driven by a decent respect for logic > and the english language. Dave That last line sounds pretty dogmatic to me. > As Pirsig uses the term "static", it already means "stable" and "ordered" and > at no point does he ever assert that anything is permanent, fixed or eternal. Dave Maybe Pirsig hasn't "assert" that, but you have and still do. > Your correction is not a correct at all. It is still makes no sense to > describe "stable patterns" as ever-changing. Ever-changing means no stability > at all. Dave A cloud is ever changing but it is stable enough a pattern for most sane people to acknowledge they're there. Let's try a tree. Even though it is pretty still, the leaves and branches on one I'm looking at now are gently moving. If we care to we could set up a whole series of grade school experiments that would show water, oxygen,carbon and literally thousands of other things are all moving in a stable, ever-changing, somewhat predicable pattern. Pretty stable but constantly changing to cope with 100 plus temperatures with no rain here in nearly two weeks. >In terms of what the statement MEANS, she is literally defining > stability as a total lack of stability. Dave Weaselshit! Would you please name for me just one of these so called "static patterns" that does not physically change position moment to moment over time. I know, I know one of those damned rhetorical question. But I'm quite sure you can't name one. If all patterns are in reality changing their physical position instant by instant: How is it that "ever-changing" is a such a problem? Oh I know Pirsig attributes all change to Dynamic Quality: Could it be that he was/is wrong? Not if you fancy yourself to be a MoQ priest. Dave Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
