Jan-Anders to Andre: Marsha is right in her opinion that a tool of steel like a monkey wrench is by time a ever-changing set of molecules.
Andre: Over time anything made of steel begins to rust after which time you stop calling it a monkey wrench. It's just a rusty old piece of whatever and it loses its value as a monkey wrench. It needs replacement. I have no argument with this. Everybody knows that. Jan-Anders: As long as it is Possible to Have a view like Marsha have, she got the free right and free will to have this view. Andre: No one says she can't and she is indeed free to hold these views. BUT are these views helpful in sharing, clarifying and thereby improving our understanding of Pirsig's MOQ? I do not think so. And, no, Marsha does not hold the romantic view either as she is not the romantic type. She doesn't even know herself as it is an ever changing pov. It's the blowing in the nothing type as even wind is an illusion, ideas are an illusion, love is an illusion, preference is an illusion, probability is an illusion. Any reasonable discussion is an illusion. Relationships are an illusion. You are an illusion. I am an illusion. This MOQ is an illusion. I can go on forever. And why? Because the fundamental nature of static patterns of value is DQ. Concern about Japan? Illusion! Concern about Africa? An illusion! Concern about anything? All is illusory! Great! And what does Marsha say: 'Seems to me the romantics often concentrate on personality rather than concepts. You, Andre and dmb seem fascinated with your conclusions about Marsha, though you know nothing about her. You read some posts and think that is her. How stuck are you? (Who has the romantic interest?) There is much to her that is other-than-her-posts'. You know, this is the stuff you expect to come from a 12-year old adolescent. And not a very bright one either. I mean, who has concluded anything about Marsha? Marsha is an illusion. Marsha will and can be permanently deleted. Sorry Jan -Anders but I have no time for those type of patterns anymore. You can't build on them. They have no staying power. They are no use. Nothing to share, nothing to learn from, nothing to build on. They only degenerate. It must be very lonely at her top. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
