On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Ham Priday wrote: > > On Wed, July 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, "Steven Peterson" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> To assert that the self "exists DEPENDENTLY" is to deny >> the free will horn of the traditional free will versus determinism >> dilemma since the whole big deal there was always about >> whether or not an INDEPENDENT self can assert itself, >> i.e. exercise it's free will. Obviously a value-based metaphysics >> also denies the determinism horn of the traditional SOM >> dilemma as well. ... > > What you have concluded above is only half true. The BEING of an individual > exists dependently; the SELF of that being is independent (free). > > Sensible awareness, despite the brain and nervous system that supports it, is > not itself a biological entity. Neither are thoughts, concepts, or values. > So you can forget about the "mini-computer 'I' inside your head" and start > realizing that the world "outside" you (beingness) is a product of your > Value, instead of the other way around. Each of us IS an autonomous Self > with the freedom to choose and the power to objectivize every aspect of > physical reality.
Hi Ham, What evidence can you offer that each of us is an autonomous (independent; not subject to control from outside) being? > In the absence of sensible awareness there is no being, no experiential > (i.e., empirical) reality. Pirsig himself said as much when he wrote that > "experience is the leading edge of reality." I see no necessity that awareness/experience requires autonomy. What is the basis of this statement? > > Valuistically speaking, > Ham Thank you, Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
