On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Steve said: > ...Sure, but the free will question is about HOW choices are made. > > > John replied: > Is it? I thought it was *whether* choice was made or even possible. Whether > it's possible to choose, to freely decide. ...I believe individuality is > itself a choice, and thus we don't make choices, choices make us. And yes, I > think that is the exact opposite of determinism. I guess I have no real bone > to pick with you. It's that Sam Harris guy I find ridiculous. ... > > dmb says: > > Yes, of course the question of free will is about whether or not we have any > free will. Knowing something about HOW choices are made can inform your > opinion as to whether we are determined or free, but that certainly is the > question. This seems to be just of one of several ways in which Steve has > confused that question.
Steve: Oh, is that it? Now I don't even understand what the question of free will is? Look, we KNOW we make choices. We have pizza instead of sushi or whatever. The question in the ancient free will/determinism debate is whether that sort of choice is made freely or is determined by forces external to the will. dmb: > One of the biggest problem in this months-long thread is that Steve keeps > trying to make Sam Harris's determinism compatible with the MOQ's > reformulation and the result is not pretty. Steve: That's just another of your attempts to misrepresent my position rather than engaging in honest intellectual discussion. What I have said countless times at this point is that the MOQ denies both horns of the traditional SOM free will/determinism dilemma (a position which it appears you have finally come around to), and since Sam Harris never uses the words dynamic and static quality (or even ever talks about metaphysics except for his footnote favoring realism over pragmatism in TEOF), I am confident that his his view is completely INcompatible with the the MOQ's reformulation of the problem. And WTF? Sam Harris was one of your heroes not very long ago. You loved his book. You called him a rockstar. Why are you hating on him all the sudden? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
