Greetings Marsha,

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> Marsha:
> In Zen there is talk of satori or kensho, where:
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>        "the practitioner finally breaks through the barrier
>        of rational intellection to the realm of preconceptual
>        and prelinguistic consciousness variously called pure
>        consciousness, no-mind, without-thinking, or emptiness."
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> Are you denying such a state is possible?
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Maybe, maybe not.  :-)

I guess I'm denying its quality, more than anything Marsha.  Death is
without-thinking too, yet we shun that state of intellect.

And a state of mind that has low quality, even if it's possible, does not
seem to me to be any sort of goal.  Quality is a positive goal.  I think
that is the great strength of the MoQ and what you call neti-neti is the
great weakness of Buddhism.

Positively yours,

John

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