On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:22 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> dmb says: >> > > >> He's saying the mystics will get off the stove first because they tend to >> be in closer contact with that pre-conceptual flux of life. For James and >> Pirsig, that's reality and the concepts that follow are only good to the >> extent that they successfully operate in that reality, in the flux of life. >> >> John says: > > I refuted this point earlier and didn't get nearly the interesting > discussion that is being exhibited now, but my point was that Cooks who are > aware of their surroundings and have vast experience with hot stoves are the > ones who will pop off the most quickly. Their experience guides their > reactions. Mystics are a bunch of air-heads who often are lost in their own > dreams to the extent that they don't even know when they're sitting on a hot > stove.
I tend to agree. > And there's no such thing as "pre-conceptual". This is an important notion in the MOQ, but personally I don't like Pirsig's primary/secondary reality stuff and putting thoughts on a lower status from other sorts of experiences like hot stoves. It is intended as anti-Platonism, but I think it gets too close to being more of the same. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
