On Aug 12, 2011, at 12:41 PM, John Carl wrote: > Greetings Marsha, > > >> >> Marsha: >> In Zen there is talk of satori or kensho, where: >> >> "the practitioner finally breaks through the barrier >> of rational intellection to the realm of preconceptual >> and prelinguistic consciousness variously called pure >> consciousness, no-mind, without-thinking, or emptiness." >> >> Are you denying such a state is possible? >> > > > Maybe, maybe not. :-) > > I guess I'm denying its quality, more than anything Marsha. Death is > without-thinking too, yet we shun that state of intellect. > > And a state of mind that has low quality, even if it's possible, does not > seem to me to be any sort of goal. Quality is a positive goal. I think > that is the great strength of the MoQ and what you call neti-neti is the > great weakness of Buddhism. > > Positively yours, > > John
Hello John, I take it you've investigated the expression 'neti-neti' for yourself, so there's nothing for me to say. If you think it represents a weakness, then that is your reality. I won't fight you. As far as meditation and mindfulness, I can only repeat what I've quoted to you before because I believe it: Sri Nisargadatta Maharaij: Causes and results are infinite in number and variety. Everything affects everything. In this universe, when one thing changes, everything changes. Hence the great power of man in changing the world by changing himself. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
