On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:50 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > Greetings Steve, > >>> Marsha: >>> I understand the beginning of the Intellectual Level to be about the time >>> of the early Greeks, with the birth of formal rationality and the natural >>> sciences with probably with Aristotle as primary midwife. RMP offering >>> theology, science, philosophy and mathematics seems to reinforce this >>> point-of-view. As has been said many times before, there was thinking and >>> serious ideas being thought many millennium before that period. >>> >>> I connect all static patterns with thought in a different manner. RMP has >>> said that static quality represents all that can be conceptualized. So I >>> describe static patterns of value from two different points-of-view. One >>> is the nature of all patterns: interdependent, impermanent, ever-changing >>> and conceptualized. A second point-of-view would be categorization by >>> evolutionary function: inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. >>> Mary has suggested that that functioning might be described by 'what the >>> level values.' That makes sense to me. >> >> Steve: >> The way I unpack that Greek reference is that what was happening at >> the time of the early Greeks was not the very first intellectual >> patterns but rather the first significant conflict between >> intellectual and social patterns. Mary is sort of right (though I >> don't like her turn of phrase) in that the intellectual level emerged >> at that time as having purposes of its own distinct from its orgins in >> evolving to support social patterns. Intellectual quality, the quality >> of concepts, was no longer the social Good but the intellectual True. > > > Marsha: > I can accept that there were intellectual patterns prior to the early Greeks > and only during that period did they start to break away towards a purpose of > their own. BUT we are told, by RMP, that the Levels are discrete. Social > static patterns in the Social Level; Intellectual patterns in the > Intellectual Level. I understand the MoQ to be pragmatic. I am non-commital > when it comes to Pragmatism or assigning one type of pattern to Good and the > other to True. Unless the assignment of Truth is based on the reified > conceptual entity being stripped of its subjective, emotional biases. That > is how I understand the Intellectual Level.
Marsha: Truth is a static pattern of value. Pragmatism is a static pattern of value. Assigning either as True is a form of grasping. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
