Greetings Steve, >> Marsha: >> I understand the beginning of the Intellectual Level to be about the time of >> the early Greeks, with the birth of formal rationality and the natural >> sciences with probably with Aristotle as primary midwife. RMP offering >> theology, science, philosophy and mathematics seems to reinforce this >> point-of-view. As has been said many times before, there was thinking and >> serious ideas being thought many millennium before that period. >> >> I connect all static patterns with thought in a different manner. RMP has >> said that static quality represents all that can be conceptualized. So I >> describe static patterns of value from two different points-of-view. One is >> the nature of all patterns: interdependent, impermanent, ever-changing and >> conceptualized. A second point-of-view would be categorization by >> evolutionary function: inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. >> Mary has suggested that that functioning might be described by 'what the >> level values.' That makes sense to me. > > Steve: > The way I unpack that Greek reference is that what was happening at > the time of the early Greeks was not the very first intellectual > patterns but rather the first significant conflict between > intellectual and social patterns. Mary is sort of right (though I > don't like her turn of phrase) in that the intellectual level emerged > at that time as having purposes of its own distinct from its orgins in > evolving to support social patterns. Intellectual quality, the quality > of concepts, was no longer the social Good but the intellectual True.
Marsha: I can accept that there were intellectual patterns prior to the early Greeks and only during that period did they start to break away towards a purpose of their own. BUT we are told, by RMP, that the Levels are discrete. Social static patterns in the Social Level; Intellectual patterns in the Intellectual Level. I understand the MoQ to be pragmatic. I am non-commital when it comes to Pragmatism or assigning one type of pattern to Good and the other to True. Unless the assignment of Truth is based on the reified conceptual entity being stripped of its subjective, emotional biases. That is how I understand the Intellectual Level. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
