dmb said to Matt and Steve:
..., the problem IS philosophical... The problem IS a result of "our lousy
concepts". ...The whole point of the MOQ, as Paul Turner explained so well, is
to expand and improve rationality. The aim is a root expansion of rationality.
That's WHY we care about DQ and why it's so central. It's the key to the
expansion of our philosophies. Pirsig says, "the thing to be analyzed, is not
quality, but those peculiar habits of thought called 'squareness' that
sometimes prevent us from seeing it. ..The subject for analysis, the patient on
the table, was no longer Quality, but analysis itself. Quality was healthy and
in good shape. Analysis, however, seemed to have something wrong with it that
prevented it from seeing the obvious." (ZAMM 218-9)
Steve (obliviously) replied:
...Having the wrong ideas doesn't take one out of reality. ..Concepts don't
take one closer to or further from reality. ...The point is that "not being in
touch with DQ" can't be what is wrong with our concepts. ...
dmb says:
As is so often the case, you are exactly wrong and you stubbornly persist in
this wrongness even in the face of explicit evidence to the contrary. Pirsig
says our peculiar habits of thought prevent us from seeing Quality and your
response is simply to say our thought habits don't and can't prevent us from
seeing Quality. That's not an argument. It's just an empty, unsupported,
nonsensical denial of what the author plainly says. And since you deleted the
textual from your response, the only thing you've proven is your own
contemptible dishonesty and/or stupidity. Is that your aim, Steve? If your goal
is to convince me that you are incapable of talking or thinking,
congratulations.
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