Hi Steve, Just trolling through a long list from the top down and I came to this and couldn't resist...
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Steven Peterson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Matt, dmb, > > If experience is reality in the MOQ, then I don't see how we would > ever need to worry about being in touch with reality. I know I rarely worry about it. But then I notice lots of other people around me worrying for me. But a good example is an infant. According to Pirsig, infants are closer to DQ than you and me, (well, you at least. I'm fairly infantile myself) and everybody plainly sees that infants never worry about being in touch with reality. So I think you bring out a good point there. > Likewise, if DQ > is the leading edge of experience, then how is perceiving DQ something > that "you" can be better or worse at? If this "you" is a set of static > pattern left in the wake of DQ, then it is always in intimate contact > with DQ. > > I think you're putting this pragmatically and with another good point - talking about DQ is really sort of futile, in the end. What we're really interested in is sq. But we can't really comprehend sq without comprehending what its not - DQ. Once we have that down, we can rest. But the problem I keep seeing over and over, is that staticity is more nebulous and mysterious than dynamism! So I dunno. I think I'll go play with my binky. You seem to have a pretty good handle on it below. John > One important Pirsigian usage of "DQ" is talk about being attentive to > the distinction between concepts and reality, between DQ and sq, but > then such "DQ talk" is always conceptual. It's sq. That's the only > "trivializing" that is going on from my view. It is part of being > attentive to the distinction between concepts and reality to say so. > "Talk about DQ is sq" is what I think is meant by "DQ is a compliment > paid after the fact." That's surely one of the ways Pirsig uses the > term. When Pirsig says that sex is pure DQ, he is wielding the > "compliment" usage of "DQ." It is also used as a placeholder for the > conceptually unknown and some other ways distinct from the > "compliment" usage that might be worth cataloging. > > Best, > Steve > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
