Hello Matt,
On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Matt Kundert wrote:
>
> Hello Margie,
>
>> Hello Mark,
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Matt Kundert wrote:
>>>
>>> Matt said:
>>> I'm wondering what it even means for science to reject, say,
>>> biological values.
>>>
>>> Marsha said:
>>> Science might reject the physical responses accompanying jealousy,
>>> fear or hate from biasing the interpretation or presentation of data.
>>>
>>> Matt also said:
>>> When did biology reject sex?
>>>
>>> Marsha also said:
>>> Biology includes the study of sex.
>>>
>>> Matt:
>>> The first response construes Pirsig in a useful way, but the second
>>> walks into why the formulation is odd: science _studies_ stuff, but to
>>> say it _includes_ it without the "study of" bit is to think that biology
>>> includes having scientists having a lot of sex with each other ("in the
>>> name of science," they keep telling their spouses). The answer to
>>> the rhetorical question doesn't rebut the premise in the right way in
>>> order to clarify the issue. Science rejects jealousy and fear as
>>> appropriate responses in the "study of" bit, but in the same way the
>>> answer to the second question could've been "biology includes the
>>> study of fear." Biology doesn't reject sex, and it doesn't reject fear,
>>> in toto: rather it rejects fear and sex in terms of their relevance to
>>> the "study of" stuff. Which is why I find the Pirsig formulation a
>>> little lop-sided.
>>
>> Marsha:
>> Since there is no absolute by which to reckon whether RMP's
>> formulation is a little lop-sided or your head is a little lop-sided,
>> I'd have to wonder what are you trying to grasp? Do you know?
>>
>>
> Matt:
> Why on earth do we need an absolute to be able to make value
> judgements? Did I not relativize the judgement properly enough to
> my self and its perspective? Oh, I see that I did.
>
> What on earth are you looking for, Margie?
>
Marsha:
Make all the value judgements you deem necessary. That doesn't mean
I need to accept or reject them. That was the meaning of my response.
Didn't you get that? Maybe you should have tried a more careful reading.
Marsha
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