Hi Matt (or is it Mark?), Marshal likes to interact by throwing some chum in the water and feel the fishies nibble on his toes. Sometimes it is fun to banter, but don't expect too much from him.
Mark On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Matt Kundert <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Margie, > >> Hello Mark, >> >> On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Matt Kundert wrote: >>> >>> Matt said: >>> I'm wondering what it even means for science to reject, say, >>> biological values. >>> >>> Marsha said: >>> Science might reject the physical responses accompanying jealousy, >>> fear or hate from biasing the interpretation or presentation of data. >>> >>> Matt also said: >>> When did biology reject sex? >>> >>> Marsha also said: >>> Biology includes the study of sex. >>> >>> Matt: >>> The first response construes Pirsig in a useful way, but the second >>> walks into why the formulation is odd: science _studies_ stuff, but to >>> say it _includes_ it without the "study of" bit is to think that biology >>> includes having scientists having a lot of sex with each other ("in the >>> name of science," they keep telling their spouses). The answer to >>> the rhetorical question doesn't rebut the premise in the right way in >>> order to clarify the issue. Science rejects jealousy and fear as >>> appropriate responses in the "study of" bit, but in the same way the >>> answer to the second question could've been "biology includes the >>> study of fear." Biology doesn't reject sex, and it doesn't reject fear, >>> in toto: rather it rejects fear and sex in terms of their relevance to >>> the "study of" stuff. Which is why I find the Pirsig formulation a >>> little lop-sided. >> >> Marsha: >> Since there is no absolute by which to reckon whether RMP's >> formulation is a little lop-sided or your head is a little lop-sided, >> I'd have wonder what are you trying to grasp? Do you know? >> >> Marsha > > Why on earth do we need an absolute to be able to make value > judgements? Did I not relativize the judgement properly enough to > my self and its perspective? Oh, I see that I did. > > What on earth are you looking for, Margie? > > Matt > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
